Transcription: OpenAgents Episode 198 - Claude Code on the Web

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[00:00] Christopher David: They say new products should be a 10x improvement over what came before.

[00:04] Christopher David: So what does a 10x improvement over Claude Code,

[00:07] Christopher David: over Codex look like, over Cursor look like?

[00:10] Christopher David: Here's 10 areas that we think make sense.

[00:13] Christopher David: Let's go through each of them.

[00:14] Christopher David: Ditch the TUI.

[00:16] Christopher David: Okay, these janky fake terminals that everyone is just copying off of Claude code because that's what they did,

[00:21] Christopher David: where you're pretending you're a developer and cool in the terminal,

[00:25] Christopher David: where there's no reason to be in the terminal because you're not using actual terminal commands.

[00:30] Christopher David: There's nothing about the TUI that you couldn't also do from a desktop app.

[00:33] Christopher David: Give me a sidebar. Get rid of this screen flicker. I can't copy paste properly.

[00:38] Christopher David: All this stuff that's already been solved.

[00:39] Christopher David: been solved by like actual good UI give me a chat GPT style desktop app with like history on the side some widgets down here if I want to manage long-running agents like why does that not exist keep it simple number two go mobile okay I want to have a desktop app that syncs to my mobile phone so

[01:06] Christopher David: Give me the exact same flow the same UI components the same controls if I'm at home doing my usual workflow Let me have the desktop app

[01:15] Christopher David: But if I want to go to the store,

[01:17] Christopher David: let me be able to do all of the same stuff for my mobile phone Okay,

[01:20] Christopher David: we figured out how to do that see the previous episodes

[01:24] Christopher David: Some people say like, oh use,

[01:26] Christopher David: you know, what about OpenAI's codex? You can use it on the web.

[01:31] Christopher David: You can.

[01:31] Christopher David: Have you tried it?

[01:32] Christopher David: Codex. Watch this.

[01:34] Christopher David: Oh,

[01:34] Christopher David: get started.

[01:36] Christopher David: Codex web.

[01:37] Christopher David: takes you to the mobile app you can't use it from the mobile app there's no codex option here so are these 500 billion dollar companies or what no they need a startup i guess to make an actual freaking app let's do that code overnight um i want to be able to let stuff run overnight and not in this hilarious horrible way that you have to do with codex oh yeah it fixes thousands overnight how do you actually do that right now you have to just queue up continue continue continue continue like and it's it's so dumb

[02:07] Christopher David: So yeah, but hey this is an idea for a new feature scheduled prompts in three hours do this in four hours do this in six hours after limit resets do this

[02:16] Christopher David: Or make it even more intelligent like give the agents a little bit of discretion about like checking to see what's been done or what's not

[02:22] Christopher David: to advance your kind of higher level objective of adding more tests or whatever I did like a basic version of this last night you can see here I like set up an orchestration to run overnight it made like a few it's basically like a glorified cron with different kind of like sub agents it's kind of orchestrating different codex things you can read the audit of what went well and not with that but I'm going to iterate on this and in a very soon version we'll have this out okay

[02:46] Christopher David: CLI agents is sub agents you know how Claude will like delegate to a sub agent and it'll kind of like have its own context window when it like issues a task that's what it's doing why can't I just have my main open agents chat delegate to codex delegate to Claude code like in the context of a single conversation with all of that context available to agents who want it so here is like you know a tool call that my Apple foundation

[03:12] Christopher David: model um chat model which is basically a little glorified router that we built with a few basic tool calls where it can delegate to codex um it's going to delegate to cloud code it can have them like talk with each other whole lot of design space to explore there

[03:26] Christopher David: history and memory like yeah just give me the sidebar with the chat so i can actually see like what's already happened and like let me easily reference past chats like in this other chat or let it retrieve it itself there should be a local sqlite database where it's able to be like oh yeah like you know three days ago we discussed this i saw that we came to this conclusion right now all of the like cloud code and codex conversations are just in these like giant json blobs not optimized for discovery at all

[03:50] Christopher David: hazard-free interrupt all the debate and like hoops you have to jump through to get mcp working people oh yeah no you have the so the tool registry definitions are too long so now you need to like create an api from it but then you need to like create a script that'll consume that or rewrite like stop it stop stop making me think in those terms like if you're in a app you should be able to like easily pull in integrations

[04:16] Christopher David: i'll figure all this shit out but like make it available to other people that they don't have to like go through all these insane hoops um embrace open source the the leader here in my view on the app side for coding agents is open code they've built a massive community of contributors they've got like very healthy community people actually building like props to codex for being open source i think that's cool but like embracing it and like having a whole bunch of people contribute and add to it is great um i just want to do that kind of thing but for our more opinionated

[04:45] Christopher David: data uh agentic flow here with open agents okay local swarm and cloud inference if i've got a bunch of compute

[04:52] Christopher David: On my computer,

[04:53] Christopher David: if I've got stuff that my foundation models like M2 chip is able to do for summarization, for updating title summaries, like use your local compute where it's needed.

[05:04] Christopher David: Let's say that there's a whole bunch of other people that have free compute.

[05:08] Christopher David: Hey,

[05:08] Christopher David: maybe I'm able to like pay them and like use that swarm compute more on that in a second.

[05:13] Christopher David: And then cloud like, yeah, obviously the we're steering codecs and cloud code,

[05:18] Christopher David: which are cloud based agents.

[05:19] Christopher David: agents but like maybe i do want to like go hit grok groq for they've got let's say they put kimmy's new thinking model up with that and i want to like use that like there should be a mix of inference possibilities uh people should be able to like mix and match based on their their cost preferences or have that done automatically after setting some preferences um compute fracking okay

[05:41] Christopher David: You, you have compute available to you that you are not doing anything with.

[05:48] Christopher David: Why are you not doing anything with it?

[05:50] Christopher David: Okay.

[05:51] Christopher David: You've got an M2 chip that's just sitting there. Are you using that compute right now to run agents?

[05:56] Christopher David: No,

[05:56] Christopher David: then you're wasting electricity.

[05:58] Christopher David: Well, there just hasn't been any software for you to run that on your computer was just able to like have agents run around the clock. Or if you don't have any economically sensible use cases.

[06:08] Christopher David: Why can't you sell that to your neighbor who will pay you a tiny fraction of a dollar,

[06:13] Christopher David: tiny fraction of a Bitcoin,

[06:14] Christopher David: to use your compute?

[06:16] Christopher David: See episode, I don't know, 140,

[06:19] Christopher David: we did some compute marketplace stuff.

[06:20] Christopher David: We're going to be folding that back into this.

[06:23] Christopher David: Sam Altman and all these people talking about,

[06:24] Christopher David: oh, we're bottlenecked by compute.

[06:25] Christopher David: Okay,

[06:26] Christopher David: you've got every freaking device,

[06:29] Christopher David: you know, the two billion Apple devices, what percentage of those are iOS 16 and can now run or 26 and can now run the.

[06:39] Christopher David: on device foundation models.

[06:41] Christopher David: Where is it?

[06:42] Christopher David: See our recent tweets about,

[06:43] Christopher David: yeah, yeah.

[06:44] Christopher David: So what percentage of these global AI workloads are going to run on Apple Silicon?

[06:48] Christopher David: The big labs are not going to innovate in this direction because they are now like in the Nvidia drinking the Nvidia Kool-Aid, but we have no such limitations.

[06:59] Christopher David: So just remember,

[07:00] Christopher David: compute fracking,

[07:01] Christopher David: you heard it here first.

[07:03] Christopher David: Revenue sharing.

[07:03] Christopher David: Now to anyone who's like,

[07:05] Christopher David: Chris,

[07:05] Christopher David: why are you spilling all the juice here,

[07:07] Christopher David: the sauce?

[07:08] Christopher David: You're giving it all away,

[07:09] Christopher David: the alpha.

[07:09] Christopher David: You're just leaking it out here.

[07:10] Christopher David: No,

[07:11] Christopher David: no, no.

[07:11] Christopher David: We're here to build network effects.

[07:13] Christopher David: So we're going to be open source.

[07:14] Christopher David: We're going to be building in public.

[07:16] Christopher David: We're going to monetize this.

[07:18] Christopher David: And how we're going to be building the biggest network is because we're going to be getting developers paid.

[07:25] Christopher David: By building an actual marketplace.

[07:27] Christopher David: Hey, developer,

[07:27] Christopher David: and this is going to solve so many of the coordination problems around like why MCPs suck in implementation because no one has an actual financial incentive to maintain them or make them good.

[07:35] Christopher David: Hey, developers, you wrote an agent plug-in.

[07:39] Christopher David: Would you like to put that in a registry and get paid a tiny fraction of a cent every time someone uses it?

[07:46] Christopher David: How do you do that?

[07:47] Christopher David: Built-in Bitcoin wallet.

[07:48] Christopher David: Oh,

[07:48] Christopher David: have you built this already?

[07:50] Christopher David: We built this already.

[07:51] Christopher David: Like that's the benefit of having been around for two years and on episode 190.

[07:54] Christopher David: We've built all of this stuff in prototype form and now we're just mushing it into, you know, a single product now that we've got the sort of agented coding go-to-market piece figured out. Okay, what would you add to this list?

[08:06] Christopher David: Please tell us.

[08:07] Christopher David: We are aiming to get at least basic versions of every one of these 10 upgrades.

[08:12] Christopher David: in place by the end of this year six weeks from now what would you add to it see you soon

[08:20] Christopher David: We take feature requests very seriously here at OpenAgents. Kier wants a web UI.

[08:24] Christopher David: Hey, let's add a web UI.

[08:26] Christopher David: Watch this.

[08:29] Christopher David: Website clicking to connect with Cloud Code, what happens? I get a script. I run the script.

[08:39] Christopher David: It's local for now. That'll be an N-P-X command when you use it. Watch this.

[08:43] Christopher David: What's this on the left?

[08:45] Christopher David: Hey, is that Cloud?

[08:49] Christopher David: use three tool calls to explore your current repo.

[08:54] Christopher David: And if you look over here you'll see some logs.

[09:00] Christopher David: But I don't want to look at the terminal, okay?

[09:01] Christopher David: I want an actual chat style UI for my coding agents.

[09:08] Christopher David: See you soon.